Forgotten realms - Missing Halfling Races about pcgen

[BahamutDragon]

Requires 3.0 Core Books to be implemented. Need to tackle that first. (opening a new issue for that)

[FerretDave]

Lukas - just to ensure you're aware, only the Forgotten Realms Campaign Sourcebook is 3.0, the Players Guide to Faerun onwards is 3.5 (the players guide updates and quite significantly modifies many FRCS elements to 3.5).

[BahamutDragon]

According to my master list that isn't quite true. Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting and it's supplemental source books of Lords of Darkness, Monsters of Faerun, Races of Faerun, Faiths and Pantheons, and Magic of Faerun are all 3rd edition sources as well.

Thank You for the warning Dave :)

And Yes You are right, Player's Guide to Faerun makes applies some changes in earlier books related to Faerun. But Bahamut is also right, that those books are in most part 3.0. If they weren't, then PGTF wouldn't need to apply any changes. I think :)

[FerretDave]

Ok, so those books must be pre PG then :-)
I have to admit, I thought 'Races' was post PG though, but that's just me. I moved up to 3.5 and never looked back (well, only when trying to code up FRCS to pcgen!)

The FRCS/PG source in BD's repo is semi combined for 3.5 (as you need the PG stuff to replace so much of FRCS), so it needs separating fully to make a 3.5 set.
Make the jump to 3.5, it's worth it :-) You probably wont notice most differences...other than the vast support PCGen gives over 3.0.

[BahamutDragon]

Yes, those books are written for 3rd edition. However, besides a few skill changes, and how monsters progress, books from 3rd edition can be converted to 3.5. Which Dave has been assisting me with. The question posed to you. Do you want to use the 3rd edition rules, or the updated 3.5 edition rules? That sets the stage. 3rd edition has different key skills (Animal Empathy, Innuendo, Pick Pockets, etc.) different feats (Ambidexterity, Sunder, etc.) and actual different progression for monsters compared to the PC classes. On top of that Damage Reduction is changed between the two. Compare the differences and decide which version suits your game needs. If you want 3rd edition, I can make the core 3rd edition books and provide the Halfling subraces as requested. I just want to make sure you will play 3rd edition, otherwise my time is better spent on updating books that need work or responding to other off list requests.

Dave You are right, Races of Faerun, and Underdark are 3.5 and as You'll notice they are not on 3.0 list which Bahamut has written in earlier post.

Well Dave I am thinking about switching to 3.5, but the decision is tough and it's based upon few factors:

• most of the books I have are for 3.0
• Yes I am aware that 3.5 is more balanced and generally well received.
• Programs which I plan to use during my sessions (Masterplann, PcGen, GmGen),
  are very important also, because if they will be usefull depends on a lot of different factors in PcGen's case: sources.

So what I am trying to do is to figure out what version will give me most flexibility, and as much content as I can possibly get.

So Bahamut, If it'll take a lot of work (and i believe it will), then it'll be better to focus on 3.5. because I cannot tell You just yet what will be my decision.

Thank You guys :)

Cheers,
Luke

[BahamutDragon]

Having the books for 3rd edition just requires a little more effort to bring it up to 3.5 edition.

I have a file in the repo that makes knowing whether a book was initially released with 3rd or 3.5 rules in mind. I highlighted the Forgotten Realms sources that I recognized. This is the official release dates and books for 3rd edition from the Wizards of the Coast website:
2000/08 Character Sheets
2000/08 Dungeons & Dragons Adventure Game
2000/08 Player's Handbook
2000/09 Dungeon Master Screen
2000/09 Dungeon Master's Guide
2000/09 Gazetteer
2000/09 Pool of Radiance: Attack on Myth Drannor
2000/09 Sunless Citadel
2000/10 Into the Dragon's Lair
2000/10 Monster Manual
2000/11 Forge of Fury
2000/11 Living Greyhawk Gazetteer
2000/12 Diablo II: Diablerie
2000/12 Hero Builder's Guidebook
2000/12 Caves of Shadow
2001/01 Speaker in Dreams
2001/01 Sword and Fist
2001/02 Monsters of Faerûn
2001/03 Diablo II: To Hell and Back
2001/03 Psionics Handbook
2001/04 Standing Stone
2001/05 Defenders of the Faith
2001/06 Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting
2001/06 Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil
2001/07 Tome and Blood
2001/08 Heart of Nightfang Spire
2001/08 Magic of Faerûn
2001/09 Manual of the Planes
2001/10 Enemies and Allies
2001/10 Oriental Adventures
2001/11 Deep Horizon
2001/11 Lords of Darkness
2001/12 Song and Silence
2002/01 Lord of the Iron Fortress
2002/02 Forgotten Realms Dungeon Master's Screen
2002/02 Masters of the Wild
2002/03 Bastion of Broken Souls
2002/04 Deities and Demigods
2002/05 Faiths and Pantheons
2002/05 Stronghold Builder's Guidebook
2002/06 Book of Challenges
2002/07 Epic Level Handbook
2002/07 Silver Marches
2002/09 City of the Spider Queen
2002/09 Monster Manual II
2002/10 Book of Vile Darkness
2003/02 Savage Species
2003/03 Arms and Equipment Guide
2003/03 Races of Faerûn
2003/04 Fiend Folio
2003/05 Unapproachable East
2003/06 Ghostwalk

3.5 edition is in this list:
---- 3.5 Edition
2003/06 Dungeon Master's Guide v.3.5
2003/07 Monster Manual v.3.5
2003/07 Player's Handbook v.3.5
2003/08 Dragonlance Campaign Setting
2003/09 Miniatures Handbook
2003/10 Book of Exalted Deeds
2003/10 Underdark
2003/11 Draconomicon: The Book of Dragons
2003/12 Complete Warrior
2004/01 Deluxe Character Sheets
2004/01 Deluxe Dungeon Master's Screen
2004/02 Unearthed Arcana
2004/03 Player's Guide to Faerûn
2004/04 Expanded Psionics Handbook
2004/04 Map Folio I
2004/05 Complete Divine
2004/06 Eberron Campaign Setting
2004/07 Planar Handbook
2004/07 Serpent Kingdoms
2004/07 Shadows of the Last War
2004/08 Map Folio II
2004/08 Races of Stone
2004/09 Dungeons & Dragons Basic Game
2004/09 Frostburn: Mastering the Perils of Ice and Snow
2004/09 Monster Manual III
2004/09 Whispers of the Vampire's Blade
2004/10 Libris Mortis: The Book of Undead
2004/10 Player's Handbook (Special Edition)
2004/10 Shining South
2004/11 Complete Arcane
2004/11 Map Folio 3-D
2004/11 Sharn: City of Towers
2004/12 Races of Destiny
2005/01 Complete Adventurer
2005/01 Grasp of the Emerald Claw
2005/02 Lost Empires of Faerûn
2005/02 Races of the Wild
2005/03 Sandstorm: Mastering the Perils of Fire and Sand
2005/04 Lords of Madness: The Book of Aberrations
2005/04 Races of Eberron
2005/05 Champions of Ruin
2005/05 Heroes of Battle
2005/06 City of Splendors: Waterdeep
2005/06 Dungeon Master's Guide II
2005/07 Eberron Deluxe Dungeon Master's Screen
2005/07 Five Nations
2005/07 Weapons of Legacy
2005/08 Deluxe Eberron Character Sheets
2005/08 Explorer's Handbook
2005/08 Stormwrack: Mastering the Perils of Wind and Wave
2005/09 Fantastic Locations: Fane of the Drow
2005/09 Magic of Incarnum
2005/09 Sons of Gruumsh
2005/10 Dungeon Master's Guide (Special Edition)
2005/10 Heroes of Horror
2005/10 Magic of Eberron
2005/11 Champions of Valor
2005/11 Fantastic Locations: Hellspike Prison
2005/12 Spell Compendium
2006/01 Player's Guide to Eberron
2006/01 Races of the Dragon
2006/02 Red Hand of Doom
2006/03 Power of Faerûn
2006/03 Tome of Magic
2006/04 Complete Psionic
2006/04 Fantastic Locations: Fields of Ruin
2006/04 Voyage of the Golden Dragon
2006/05 Player's Handbook II
2006/06 Dungeons & Dragons Player's Kit
2006/06 Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss
2006/06 Mysteries of the Moonsea
2006/07 Fantastic Locations: Dragonsdown Grotto
2006/07 Monster Manual IV
2006/07 Secrets of Xen'drik
2006/08 Dungeon Tiles
2006/08 Dragons of Faerûn
2006/08 Tome of Battle: The Book of Nine Swords
2006/09 D&D Basic Game (revised)
2006/09 Dragon Magic
2006/09 Faiths of Eberron
2006/09 Twilight Tomb
2006/10 Complete Mage
2006/10 Expedition to Castle Ravenloft
2006/10 Monster Manual (Special Edition)
2006/11 Cityscape: An Essential Guide to Urban Adventuring
2006/11 Dragonmarked
2006/11 Scourge of the Howling Horde
2006/11 Arcane Corridors: Dungeon Tiles
2006/12 Dungeons & Dragons: The Complete Animated Series
2006/12 Fantastic Locations: The Frostfell Rift
2006/12 Fiendish Codex II: Tyrants of the Nine Hells
2006/12 Shattered Gates of Slaughtergarde
2007/01 Complete Scoundrel
2007/02 Barrow of the Forgotten King
2007/02 Dungeonscape
2007/02 Secrets of Sarlona
2007/02 Hidden Crypts: Dungeon Tiles
2007/03 Magic Item Compendium
2007/03 Cormyr: The Tearing of the Weave
2007/04 City of Peril
2007/04 Expedition to the Demonweb Pits
2007/04 Eyes of the Lich Queen
2007/05 Complete Champion
2007/05 Drow of the Underdark
2007/05 Ruins of the Wild: Dungeon Tiles
2007/06 Expedition to Undermountain
2007/06 Forge of War
2007/06 Sinister Spire
2007/07 Monster Manual V
2007/07 Shadowdale: The Scouring of the Land
2007/08 Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk
2007/09 Exemplars of Evil: Deadly Foes to Vex Your Heroes
2007/09 Fortress of the Yuan-Ti
2007/09 Grand History of the Realms
2007/09 Lost Caverns of the Underdark: Dungeon Tiles
2007/10 Dragons of Eberron
2007/10 Rules Compendium
2007/10 Dungeon Survival Guide
2007/11 Anauroch: The Empire of the Shade
2007/12 Dire Tombs: Dungeon Tiles
2007/12 Elder Evils
2008/02 City of Stormreach
2008/03 An Adventurer's Guide to Eberron
2008/03 Fane of the Forgotten Gods: Dungeon Tiles

Hmm strange, so that seem to be telling us that yes: "Underdark" is 3.5, and no "Races" are 3.0. Funny, even in my online shop for books they've go it wrong it seems :D

Anyway there is a lot of those books in 3.5 of some of them I have never even heard of. That's nice ;)

Anyways I'll try to download some kind of Errata, and see how much converting would i need to do, to turn my books into 3.5. I'll be looking forward to do what I can to switch to 3.5.

By the way, I was searching for some kind of full Errata, those given by the WOTC are not a full (quick to use) material. I don't want to convert any single creature in monster manual for example I would rather prefer to have a list of changes for them, so i could alter the info in the book by some sticky notes or semthing like this. Would You happen to have some kind of material like this?

[FerretDave]

I am surprised by the release order of those books, I thought it was quite different... my bad.

Errata - I used these: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20040125a
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20030718a

Thanks Dave,

Yes i know this source, well it seems that there is no easy way, and that I'll need to redo those monsters manually. Damn it :D

[BahamutDragon]

Added Halflings subraces to the Combined FRCS and PG set. I will be implementing Andrew's newest method where the base default is assigned, and then COST:0 for an alternative subrace. Shouldn't have any impact on existing characters.