Express Clustering about spark-server

[straccio]

Why not using ZeroMQ?
ZeroMQ can add the ability to have an interprocess communication through pipe or network.
That can help where there's a need to do a fleet of machines in clusters not only some processes.

[jlkalberer]

That is definitely something we can look into for going server-to-server. I was just planning on using Redis but if you have some good reasons why we should use that instead I'd be open to it.

For now we are trying to keep things simple so anyone using spark-server only has to install spark-server to run it. I don't want them to have to spin up a MongoDB and ZeroMQ if they don't really need the extra services.

[straccio]

Usually i use redis to share sessions cross web servers in php and store sensors data for time series.
ZeroMQ is a communication framework. In my vision some processes outside the device side (coap) can speak each others through ZeroMQ. Some processes cpu intensive can be written in c/c++ for realtime tasks

[jlkalberer]

Alright, I did a bit of digging ZeroMQ it is. Thanks for the suggestion.

In order to implement this we need to make sure that the spark-server will work with or without a ZeroMQ service running in the background.

[haeferer]

In our solution we use RabbitMQ as a Messaging Server, especially to provide a "Bumper" between our different Components. The Spark-API es a good example. You can use the API Perfect for commands, but it's problematic for events, cause if you update your Component you will lose Events as long as your connection to the SparkServer is not reestablished.
One Good (first) Scenario would be a configuration where all Events go directly into a (one or more) configurable messageQueues (in addition to the default way). In Docker you manage this over ENVIROMENT Variables, so you can activate such an interface by detecting this enviroments.

I can provide a sample and documentation for this. I could also implement such a solution but i need a little help ;) to know at which place to implement such an extension.

I Think there is no need to replace the complete API with a message queue.

I Prefer RabbitMQ cause administration and production management is very good, and there are also very good Images to directly build as solution using Docker. https://hub.docker.com/_/rabbitmq/

To store data between Instances REDIS is a good and stable solution (i already implement such solutions).

[jlkalberer]

Did anyone ever get things working with a message bus? I can’t remember.

[haeferer]

Yep. We are using our fork, also for production.

https://github.com/keatec/spark-rabbit

[jlkalberer]

Awesome, I had someone ask about multi-server scaling.

How many devices are you running?

[haeferer]

We are currently testing in our own enviroment (40-50 Devices). Real Live is planned starting next year 10.000 -> 100.000). We are running different spark_servers (managing 10-20 Devices in our demo) and a single RabbitMQ.
Our libary also includes (in events) informations about the messagequeue to communicate with the device producing the event, and a directory service (not part of the fork) to store informations about the sparkserver for a device (REDIS).
Devices are connecting using a LoadBalancer which is configured to send a sourceIP and Port always to the same spark server (so if a particle reconnects to a different spark-server, the informations are updated in the directory, and processes answering to events can use the ActionQueue directly from the incomming event)

[straccio]

Me no,
i'm busy on the customization of the firmware.

[jlkalberer]

@haeferer - check out https://github.com/Brewskey/particle-collider if you'd like to test the scaling.

So you always reconnect the device to the same server? Aren't you worried about a case where you need to take a server down for maintenance?

[haeferer]

The loadbalancer will handle this Szenario.
Not perfect, but works. One Sparkserver goes down, Particle is send to next server and fails (cause of wrong handshake ) then reconnects ... fine

[DaliborFarny]

@jlkalberer Just a shy question - is clustering on a roadmap? We run the server with 400 devices (roughly half online) and sometimes it eats up all server CPU, slowing down the response. Possibility to spread the load over more processors/cores would be great.. Just asking, I know you are busy..

[jlkalberer]

No, we aren't looking to add it. I tried to get it working a while back and ran into issues with the way we're dispatching events. We didn't change this much from the original spark-server so there are problems :/

I don't think you should be seeing issues with only 400 devices. There are other people using a single server with close to 1000.

Are you calling a lot of functions/variables/webhooks?

[DaliborFarny]

Thank you for the answer. There are not many calls, but they often come in batch of 10+ (when loading data from device). No webhooks, no variables. I will work it out. Thanks again. — Dalibor Farny

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