iCloud Drive Mac OS X about cryptomator

[tobihagemann]

Just to be sure, can you check again now, if you haven't deleted the vaults? My experience is that it sometimes takes a while. Maybe iCloud Drive is just slow right now. But if you have already waited several minutes, then this is probably a bug...

Can you check if you can see the vault at least at https://www.icloud.com/ ?

[reg007]

Thanks, ok then...

I created 2 vaults called iPhone and Mac. Neither device sees the other vault and in Icloud online I see the mac vault but not the iPhone vault.

Now on the iPhone if I goto Settings>iCloud>Storage>Manage Storage> (I see the following folders)

Cryptomator (inside this folder is the iPhone vault and a readme.pdf) * pdf file cannot be viewed*
Other Documents (inside this folder is all the files and folders that are on the mac and iCloud online including the mac vault).

So perhaps on the Iphone you need to save the vaults into Other Documents instead of the applications folder Cryptomator maybe?

[tobihagemann]

The thing is: Cryptomator on iOS is not able access the "whole" iCloud Drive due to restrictions by Apple (it's called sandboxing). That means, if you want to use Cryptomator on both your Mac and iPhone, you would have to put your vaults in the Cryptomator directory.

Can you see and access the Cryptomator directory in iCloud Drive on your Mac? Or is it not there?

[tobihagemann]

For example like this:

[reg007]

Hi, yes forgot about sandboxing. The Cryptomator directory that is created on the iPhone is not shown anywhere else except on the iPhone. Please see pics. However any vault created on the mac does show online and only in the other documents on the iPhone.

Going forwards I still don't believe iCloud is a mature enough platform to hold such critical data and I still believe the likes of DropBox, S3, etc are better suited, but, for the purposes of the software, I am not sure if this is a bug?

[tobihagemann]

Thanks for the pics! That definitively looks like a bug on our side. I still have no idea why the Cryptomator directory doesn't show up, but I'll look into it. Yeah, iCloud is kind of messy, but I think still pretty important nonetheless. :)

[GeekApproach]

Just wanted to echo that I'm experiencing the same thing. What's notable to me is that you show a Cryptomator folder in iCloud that has metadata that allows it to show the Cryptomator icon, which I'm assuming is generated from the desktop version of the app, yes?

I generated my folder manually, unless I'm missing an obvious step within the desktop application to allow Cryptomator to create a parent folder for me automatically.

[tobihagemann]

Actually the Cryptomator directory should be created by the iOS app (because the desktop app is not capable of that, we haven't really investigated yet if that's even possible with a Java application). But thanks for reporting.

Unfortunately creating this folder manually wouldn't work. It's just not the same folder as the one that Cryptomator for iOS would create.

Try this on your Mac: Open Terminal and enter:

cd ~/Library/Mobile\ Documents/iCloud\~com\~setolabs\~Cryptomator/Documents

It would be interesting to see if this directory even exists. If yes, you can see the contents with ls and even open the readme.pdf with open readme.pdf. I'm just not sure yet why the Cryptomator directory is invisible. I'll look into it!

[reg007]

On my Mac under terminal
cd /Library/Mobile\ Documents/iCloudcomsetolabsCryptomator/Documents

It does list
Iphone.cryptomator
readme.pdf

and I can view the pdf file

Hope this helps.

[tobihagemann]

@reg007: Yes, thanks! So now I "only" have to figure out why that directory is invisible.

@GeekApproach: Okay, that's weird...

Could you try this? Obviously not with the Cryptomator directory because it's invisible in your case but with any other file/directory in iCloud Drive.

[reg007]

Hi yes if I do the above that works perfectly. Likewise if I do a search for the vault's name it shows (see pics). If I right click on the vault and click Show in Enclosing Folder I can double click and open the vault. I can also add files to the vault and they are synced to the iPhone no problem.

[tobihagemann]

Alright! So yeah... basically, the folder is physically there, but it's invisible...

[reg007]

At least being able to find the vault in the finder means one can right click on the vault, make an alias and drag the alias to the dockbar or wherever suits and you are up and running.

I don't believe you will be able to unhide the mobile directory. So thinking out loud this is what I would suggest if someone wants a vault that can be viewed on a Mac or iPhone using iCloud Drive. This means any updates done on either device will show up.

Steps

1. Install Cryptomator app on iPhone and open app
2. Create new vault and give it a name
3. Choose iCloud Drive

The vault is now created on the iCloud Drive. Wait around a couple of minutes for the iCloud to sync to the Mac.

4. Open Terminal on Mac and enter
   open /Library/Mobile\ Documents/iCloudcomsetolabsCryptomator/Documents/*.cryptomator

5. You can now quit Terminal

6. When you next open Cryptomator, the vault will be listed on the left hand side

[tobihagemann]

Thanks for the instructions! :) I think I've found the cause of why the Cryptomator directory is invisible. Should be fixed with the next update (hopefully this weekend). I'll leave this issue open until the update is released and confirmed as fixed.

[reg007]

I can confirm this issue is resolved. Vaults created on the phone are now listed under iCloud on the Mac, fantastic and a big thank you for your efforts.

[tobihagemann]

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