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simon-robertson-shift avatar simon-robertson-shift commented on April 29, 2024 31

All politically aligned banners should be removed from the website, IMHO. It's better to appear neutral to avoid alienating and/or offending people.

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psychedelicious avatar psychedelicious commented on April 29, 2024 11

We have to acknowledge that there are people on both sides who have experienced deep tragedy. It's hard to convey support for those affected on both sides of any major conflict with a "Support Ukraine" or "Support Palestine" banner. What about the Russian and Israeli nationals who have suffered? I think the intention is more along the lines of "Support Peace", but that's less actionable.

I'll spare you from a list of other current crises in the world. Suffice it to say, there are many groups who need support from those with resources to spare.

Of course, we should support all of these groups and many others. Perhaps a compromise might be to suggest donation to an organisation like Doctors Without Borders who work to support those in need across the planet, regardless of the political aspects of their predicament.

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imran-khani avatar imran-khani commented on April 29, 2024 8

We have to acknowledge that there are people on both sides who have experienced deep tragedy. It's hard to convey support for those affected on both sides of any major conflict with a "Support Ukraine" or "Support Palestine" banner. What about the Russian and Israeli nationals who have suffered? I think the intention is more along the lines of "Support Peace", but that's less actionable.

I'll spare you from a list of other current crises in the world. Suffice it to say, there are many groups who need support from those with resources to spare.

Of course, we should support all of these groups and many others. Perhaps a compromise might be to suggest donation to an organisation like Doctors Without Borders who work to support those in need across the planet, regardless of the political aspects of their predicament.

for your info, Palestine has been occupied for more than 75 years. you can't put their banner because they are Muslims? what about 24000 lives have been taken? 11k kids, mostly women.

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psychedelicious avatar psychedelicious commented on April 29, 2024 5

Then why Ukraine only there?

My suggestion wasn't to leave Ukraine as the banner, and I didn't mention Ukraine only in my comment - I also mentioned Palestine.

My suggestion was to remove any politically-slanted banner entirely and prompt the community to support "generic" charities, like Doctors Without Borders. In other words, my feature request would be:

Replace Support Ukraine banner with Want to support React? Donate to a charity! with a link to a list of charities with a very high ethical standard

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imran-khani avatar imran-khani commented on April 29, 2024 3

Watching the hypocrisy of the west.

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psychedelicious avatar psychedelicious commented on April 29, 2024 3

for your info, Palestine has been occupied for more than 75 years. you can't put their banner because they are Muslims? what about 24000 lives have been taken? 11k kids, mostly women.

I didn't say that. My point is that there are many injustices in the world, and in all, there is human suffering on all sides. Has nothing to do with any specific conflict. All of them are tragedies for the whole of humanity.

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timtamimi avatar timtamimi commented on April 29, 2024 3

What's happening in Ukraine and Palestine+Israel are indeed tragedies, but I would echo @psychedelicious. This is a globally renowned library used by folks on every side of every political fence, and it would probably be best to uphold a politically neutral stance.

If the objective is to call for donations to aid civilians caught in conflict, I see no issue with CTAs supporting politically neutral charities and organisations like MSF or Red Cross to name a couple. 👌

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imran-khani avatar imran-khani commented on April 29, 2024 3

What's happening in Ukraine and Palestine+Israel are indeed tragedies, but I would echo @psychedelicious. This is a globally renowned library used by folks on every side of every political fence, and it would probably be best to uphold a politically neutral stance.

If the objective is to call for donations to aid civilians caught in conflict, I see no issue with CTAs supporting politically neutral charities and organisations like MSF or Red Cross to name a couple. 👌

The issue is why only ukraine?

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AlearvickOne avatar AlearvickOne commented on April 29, 2024 2

No. no, no. I would like such message is please help china with workers. )))

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MrWangJustToDo avatar MrWangJustToDo commented on April 29, 2024 1

No. no, no. I would like such message is please help china with workers. )))不。不 不。我想要这样的信息是请帮助**工人。)))

Arrogant and ignorant :)

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buza-me avatar buza-me commented on April 29, 2024 1

Thanks Facebook and React team for the support. As a Ukrainian, I appreciate it.

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blling avatar blling commented on April 29, 2024 1

React has not release version for a long time , if take this requirement, it will be a big version !

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fly2skyToEnjoy avatar fly2skyToEnjoy commented on April 29, 2024 1

Thanks Facebook and React team for the support. As a Ukrainian, I appreciate it.

We are not against Ukraine. believe we also faced war from 2007-2014. I can feel your pain but I am against those who only support one side and not others.

Sometimes,we do not have a correct answer, i am from china , do you know what my ancesters have expericed in 1937s, The Janpa eroded and kill our people in nanjing jiagnsu province. So , i want to firmly tell you that , i support those who only support one side and aganist the other side

What's happening in Ukraine and Palestine+Israel are indeed tragedies, but I would echo @psychedelicious. This is a globally renowned library used by folks on every side of every political fence, and it would probably be best to uphold a politically neutral stance.

If the objective is to call for donations to aid civilians caught in conflict, I see no issue with CTAs supporting politically neutral charities and organisations like MSF or Red Cross to name a couple. 👌

What's happening in Ukraine and Palestine+Israel are indeed tragedies, but I would echo @psychedelicious. This is a globally renowned library used by folks on every side of every political fence, and it would probably be best to uphold a politically neutral stance.
If the objective is to call for donations to aid civilians caught in conflict, I see no issue with CTAs supporting politically neutral charities and organisations like MSF or Red Cross to name a couple. 👌

The issue is why only ukraine?

To put it simply: it is easier to position with ukraine as a U.S. company (remember that React.js is still a project owned by Meta). Historical and cultural reasons make it easy to take position for ukraine on the western hemisphere of our planet (+a lot of other companies did/do it).

Palestine/Israel is different. There are many different opinions on this. When I recently talked about it with my friends it was very hard for us to come to an agreement. In fact, we didn't. Therefore, it is very hard for a company to take position on this topic without backfire.

That said, I think GitHub is not a place for political discussions and open source projects aren't either (like other people in this issue already said).

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num8er avatar num8er commented on April 29, 2024 1

UN already funded millions (if not billions) for Palestine people, what happened is Hamas took all of that from them.
Can't You fight internal enemy Hamas which also funded by global terrorist RF?
If people will donate for Palestine again: will it be used for people or again arm Hamas?
Why world must pay to killers?
First stop Hamas, then world will talk.

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num8er avatar num8er commented on April 29, 2024 1

P.S. Do not forget that Zukerberg is Jew.
I think he will not not support Hamas by "supporting Palestine".

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whicencer avatar whicencer commented on April 29, 2024

:)

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subashcs avatar subashcs commented on April 29, 2024

I agree with @simon-robertson-shift.

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imran-khani avatar imran-khani commented on April 29, 2024

for your info, Palestine has been occupied for more than 75 years. you can't put their banner because they are Muslims? what about 24000 lives have been taken? 11k kids, mostly women.

I didn't say that. My point is that there are many injustices in the world, and in all, there is human suffering on all sides. Has nothing to do with any specific conflict. All of them are tragedies for the whole of humanity.

Then why Ukraine only there?

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jvllmr avatar jvllmr commented on April 29, 2024

What's happening in Ukraine and Palestine+Israel are indeed tragedies, but I would echo @psychedelicious. This is a globally renowned library used by folks on every side of every political fence, and it would probably be best to uphold a politically neutral stance.
If the objective is to call for donations to aid civilians caught in conflict, I see no issue with CTAs supporting politically neutral charities and organisations like MSF or Red Cross to name a couple. 👌

The issue is why only ukraine?

To put it simply: it is easier to position with ukraine as a U.S. company (remember that React.js is still a project owned by Meta).
Historical and cultural reasons make it easy to take position for ukraine on the western hemisphere of our planet (+a lot of other companies did/do it).

Palestine/Israel is different. There are many different opinions on this. When I recently talked about it with my friends it was very hard for us to come to an agreement. In fact, we didn't. Therefore, it is very hard for a company to take position on this topic without backfire.

That said, I think GitHub is not a place for political discussions and open source projects aren't either (like other people in this issue already said).

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imran-khani avatar imran-khani commented on April 29, 2024

Thanks Facebook and React team for the support. As a Ukrainian, I appreciate it.

We are not against Ukraine. believe we also faced war from 2007-2014. I can feel your pain but I am against those who only support one side and not others.

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num8er avatar num8er commented on April 29, 2024

@imran-khani
A month ago Iran bombed Pakistan.
Iran - which supporting Hamas and delivering weapon to keep theritories in war state.

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imran-khani avatar imran-khani commented on April 29, 2024

UN already funded millions (if not billions) for Palestine people, what happened is Hamas took all of that from them. Can't You fight internal enemy Hamas which also funded by global terrorist RF? If people will donate for Palestine again: will it be used for people or again arm Hamas? Why world must pay to killers? First stop Hamas, then world will talk.

When did Hamas made? in 1948? why did Palestinians were displaced and killed before hamas?

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imran-khani avatar imran-khani commented on April 29, 2024

Closing this. I saw hatred of non-muslims toward Muslims even if Jews are wrong. It's not about Hamas. you can't bomb hospitals even if there are terrorists inside. 28,000+ people killed mostly children and women. If you have kids and a heart you will understand. kids and women are innocent.

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