Donut: Lip Service InnerSource about innersourcepatterns

[NewMexicoKid]

How about "Lip service InnerSource"?

[NewMexicoKid]

Do we want to give this a perhaps more politically correct pattern name? E.g., Simply send us a pull request!

[nyeates]

Yes we can change it. Brainstorming ideas: Ironic pull request. Empty community. Newbie unfriendly. Any others before we make it a PR?

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On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Tim Yao ***@***.***> wrote: Do we want to give this a perhaps more politically correct pattern name? E.g., *Simply send us a pull request!* — You are receiving this because you were assigned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#77 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AANBK_WCQ0Cd6R2N-mOWAXa8h42P6mSoks5sooEjgaJpZM4Pn6uR> .

[beckyjplummer]

What about "we're overloaded, send us a pull request"

[breakbottle]

I like that it really defines the truth of the accepted team that is defined by “we’re overloaded”. However I also feel a sense of empathy to the code submitters, where as the previous name implies a sense of “I don’t care, throw it over the wall”. Did I read too much into that? Clint

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On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 6:39 PM Becky ***@***.***> wrote: What about "we're overloaded, send us a pull request" — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#77 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AJffAWBeut-_0DUC_-yuomZvaYLKX36oks5sosWWgaJpZM4Pn6uR> .

[nyeates]

These are both better names than I gave - thanks! I agree that "I don't care, throw it over the wall" carries more of the tone I detected. Becky?

[kjstol]

Oooh I like that. +1 Terse? Mobile. On Oct 4, 2017 13:54, Tim Yao <[email protected]> wrote: How about "Lip service InnerSource"? — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#77 (comment)>, or mute the thread<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AQQNZc9RtLFa__vRolQ8QgI0p7uYtU6Pks5so8Z7gaJpZM4Pn6uR>.

[beckyjplummer]

Yes!! On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 at 14:42, Klaas-Jan Stol <[email protected]> wrote:

Oooh I like that. +1 Terse? Mobile. On Oct 4, 2017 13:54, Tim Yao ***@***.***> wrote: How about "Lip service InnerSource"? — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub< #77 (comment)>, or mute the thread< https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AQQNZc9RtLFa__vRolQ8QgI0p7uYtU6Pks5so8Z7gaJpZM4Pn6uR>. — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#77 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADKXVTSX49yL0_NGwb4m3MSb6J09dJDeks5so9GGgaJpZM4Pn6uR> .

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[breakbottle]

Yes, I like as well On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 1:42 PM Klaas-Jan Stol <[email protected]> wrote:

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Oooh I like that. +1 Terse? Mobile. On Oct 4, 2017 13:54, Tim Yao ***@***.***> wrote: How about "Lip service InnerSource"? — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub< #77 (comment)>, or mute the thread< https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AQQNZc9RtLFa__vRolQ8QgI0p7uYtU6Pks5so8Z7gaJpZM4Pn6uR>. — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#77 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AJffAQf26Ulyzmfj7FksiX5ZTND92-6kks5so9GGgaJpZM4Pn6uR> .

[gregswindle]

Hey, InnerSourcerers!

If the intent behind this Donut reflects @NewMexicoKid's "Lip Service InnerSource," then that's pretty good. Alternatives might be:

1. Insincere InnerSource or
2. Sham InnerSource
3. Disingenuous InnerSource Project

"F*** you InnerSource" feels more pernicious, though. Maybe

1. Unprepared InnerSource
2. Ill-equipped InnerSource Project/Team
3. Slapdash InnerSource

Anyway, I've been eager to jump into the fray. Sincerely 😄.

[gruetter]

+1 for Lip service InnerSource

[spier]

@NewMexicoKid some comments in this thread sound like you had previously talked or written about something called "Lip Service InnerSource". Is there any video or writeup that I can check out?

[lenucksi]

Even a bare-bones PR for a 1-initial to see if it makes it to 1-inital might help here. Can still close that one. There's enough content here to copy/paste one based on it I guess.

[spier]

@NewMexicoKid I wondering if this discussion here would lead more to an anti-pattern, than a pattern?

[NewMexicoKid]

I think this is more of a pattern than an anti-pattern; or it might (at this stage) be more of a donut pattern exercise, since I don't believe that we had ever gotten to the point of having a solution to the "lip service IS" problem.
That is, the state of having "lip service IS" is the starting context and not where one wants to stay. Probably having an interactive session with experts could tease out a useful pattern (I would be surprised if this situation hasn't occurred and been solved).

@spier had asked:

@NewMexicoKid some comments in this thread sound like you had previously talked or written about something called "Lip Service InnerSource". Is there any video or writeup that I can check out?

Unfortunately, I did a search and didn't turn up any notes. I think that the whole conversation is in this PR (unless @nyeates remembers something more).

[spier]

I like the idea of using this as a Donut exercise. Maybe something to try out next year.
Will keep the issue open, to remember the idea in the future.