x-death header count is no longer incremented from RabbitMQ version 3.13.0+ about rabbitmq-server

[michaelklishin]

There is a set of changes related to dead lettering that have shipped in 3.13.2 or will ship in 3.13.3: #10709,
#11173, #11160, #11159, #11174

[michaelklishin]

As for x-* headers, nothing has been decided yet. There's a set of headers such as x-deaths that were never meant to be modified by applications.

[cressie176]

@michaelklishin thank you for the link to #11174, it provides a lot more context, however I think it is still a bug and should not have been closed as a duplicate.

There's a set of headers such as x-deaths that were never meant to be modified by applications.

The application is not modifying these, other than when they move the message (by copying it) to a different queue.

Irrespective it's very confusing behaviour to have a "count" property set by the broker, which until recently was incremented with each rejection, but now if fixed at 1 no matter how many times the message is rejected. This was an undocumented change in v3.13.0, that breaks the current documented behaviour.

count: how many times this message was dead-lettered in this queue for this reason

[michaelklishin]

@cressie176 since 3.13.0 there were four changes directly related to dead lettering, including at least one related to the conditions under which the counter is incremented. They are all mentioned in release notes (including those pending release under release-notes in this repository).

Use https://hub.docker.com/layers/pivotalrabbitmq/rabbitmq/v3.13.x/images/sha256-b32c328236bec5ec2b94bd4afd290687844a957919fe838457d10858c620bfc4?context=explore in order to compare.

If this is something distinct from all those behaviours, please put together an executable way to reproduce and we will consider reopening this issue or filing a new one.

[cressie176]

I searched the v3.13.0 release notes (the version which introduced the bug) prior to reporting it. They only mentioned dead lettering once and give no indication there was a breaking change relating to the way rejections are counted...

Messages are now internally stored using a new common heavily AMQP 1.0-influenced container format. This is a major step towards a protocol-agnostic core: a common format that encapsulates a sum of data types used by the protocols RabbitMQ supports, plus annotations for routing, dead-lettering state, and other purposes.

[cressie176]

@michaelklishin

since 3.13.0 there were four changes directly related to dead lettering, including at least one related to the conditions under which the counter is incremented

#10709 - This is the same bug, although it manifests with message expiry. The OP was able to workaround, but noted how this would likely cause issues for other users. @lukebakken acknowledges it is a regression and breaking change, but the issue was closed regardless.

#11173 - This issue is about adding the x-death header to streamed messages

#11160 - This issue is about a warning message when dead letter messages are dropped by the broker

#11159 - This issue is about dead letter messages being incorrectly dropped by the broker

#11174 - This discusses approaches for avoiding infinite dead letter cycles, and the introduction of deaths_v2 annotation

None of the above, other than the first which was closed without resolving the bug, are concerned with v3.13.0 of the rabbitmq broker failing to increment the x-death count field.

If this is something distinct from all those behaviours, please put together an executable way to reproduce and we will consider reopening this issue or filing a new one.

https://github.com/cressie176/rabbitmq-11331 demonstrates the bug

[michaelklishin]

@cressie176 apparently it was an intentionally decision (in the same discussion as #10709 (comment)) by several team members to keep the current behavior instead of reverting it only to change it back for 4.x.

Thank you for taking the time to put together an executable example to reproduce!

[michaelklishin]

The above decision was taken after investigating what would a message container-based 3.12.x era solution would be like #11043.

Time will tell how many paying users will ask for a temporary restoration of this behavior. Most seemingly can use a custom header when publishing, which is a fundamental solution which avoids modifying a header used internally by RabbitMQ to collect a series of dead lettering-related events.

[ansd]

Thank you @cressie176 for the detailed issue and reproduction steps.

In https://github.com/cressie176/rabbitmq-11331/blob/7372dc0e7d69dc78dc52c27d8ad8f6b0f2889440/index.js#L17 you are publishing a new (i.e. 2nd) message. The broker won't interpret this x-death header from this new (2nd) message in v3.13.x.

The solution for you is one of the following:

1. Use a custom count header as described in #10709 (comment), or
2. Let RabbitMQ itself move the message back to the original queue, for example by configuring x-message-ttl on the dead letter queue.

I am unable to maintain this in a custom header since I would need to modify the message on rejection, which is not possible.

No, you don't need to modify the message on rejection, you can instead modify the message header when you publish your new (2nd) message.

[cressie176]

Thanks @michaelklishin and @ansd - It's good to know a fix was back ported to the v3 branch.

No, you don't need to modify the message on rejection, you can instead modify the message header when you publish your new (2nd) message.

This is what I was trying to avoid by using the x-death count attribute. Without a standard rejection count header, users won't be able to use the shovel plugin (or other 3rd party software) to move the messages from the dead letter queue back to the work queue in scenarios where they need to treat replayed messages differently from regular ones.

Rascal's scenario is that it needs to remove the immediate nack custom header, but given x-death count has been widely adopted by other frameworks to track rejections, there are certain to be other examples. Without the x-death count users will need to write their own shovel application. For Rascal, I've worked around this by using the x-death time value as well. Prior to v3.13.0 this was not updated by the broker. Ironically the same change that broke the count means a the timestamp is now set to that of the last rejection rather than the first.

For v4 I assume it won't be possible for the broker to keep a count of rejections of republished messages since there isn't a guaranteed message id. If not, can the x-death count attribute be removed so that it isn't misleading, and the removal listed as a breaking change in the release notes please?

[ansd]

It's good to know a fix was back ported to the v3 branch

Do you mean the v3.13.x branch? Which fix are you referring to?

Without a standard rejection count header, users won't be able to use the shovel plugin (or other 3rd party software) to move the messages from the dead letter queue back to the work queue in scenarios where they need to treat replayed messages differently from regular ones.

Shovels can be configured to set certain headers such as dest-publish-properties, dest-add-forward-headers, dest-add-timestamp-header. Hence, users can treat messages replayed via the shovel plugin differently from other messages.

Ironically the same change that broke the count means a the timestamp is now set to that of the last rejection rather than the first.

Note that all these timestamps are wall clock time, and therefore an approximate point in time.

[cressie176]

Do you mean the v3.13.x branch? Which fix are you referring to?

From #11043

"This commit will only be packported to v3.13.x branch. In other words, 4.0 won't interpret x-headers as done in 3.13.0 and 3.13.1".

Have I misunderstood?

Shovels can be configured to set certain headers such as dest-publish-properties, dest-add-forward-headers, dest-add-timestamp-header

Thank you. I was not aware of these. The documentation says that dest-publish-properties is unsupported though, and there still doesn't appear to be the ability to increment the number of times the message was rejected.

Note that all these timestamps are wall clock time, and therefore an approximate point in time.

Thanks for the clarification. This will be sufficient for Rascal's use case.

[michaelklishin]

To clarify: #11339, which to some extent helps projects that publish messages with x-deaths, is v3.13.x-specific and will not go into main for 4.0.

[ansd]

Have I misunderstood?

Yes, #11043 is closed. Closed means not merged.
However, we merged #11339 yesterday which fixes the issue in 3.13.3.