[Q&A] Is there a way to get the number of performance cores on Apple Silicon? about num_cpus

[seanmonstar]

Hm, so these cores are different than normal? Is there an API to query them? We'd need more info to answer the question properly, I think.

[Byron]

I thought the best way for me to learn more is to look at sysinfo, which appears to use a sysctl API.

Looking at it, there isn't anything obvious showing the amount of high performance (or high efficiency) cores for that matter:

sysctl -a | rg cpu

kern.cpu_checkin_interval: 4000
hw.ncpu: 8
hw.activecpu: 8
hw.physicalcpu: 8
hw.physicalcpu_max: 8
hw.logicalcpu: 8
hw.logicalcpu_max: 8
hw.cputype: 16777228
hw.cpusubtype: 2
hw.cpu64bit_capable: 1
hw.cpufamily: 458787763
hw.cpusubfamily: 2
machdep.cpu.cores_per_package: 8
machdep.cpu.core_count: 8
machdep.cpu.logical_per_package: 8
machdep.cpu.thread_count: 8
machdep.cpu.brand_string: Apple M1

Another bunch of flags yields nothing very telling either: sysctl hw

sysctl hw
hw.ncpu: 8
hw.byteorder: 1234
hw.memsize: 8589934592
hw.activecpu: 8
hw.physicalcpu: 8
hw.physicalcpu_max: 8
hw.logicalcpu: 8
hw.logicalcpu_max: 8
hw.cputype: 16777228
hw.cpusubtype: 2
hw.cpu64bit_capable: 1
hw.cpufamily: 458787763
hw.cpusubfamily: 2
hw.cacheconfig: 8 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
hw.cachesize: 3613523968 65536 4194304 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
hw.pagesize: 16384
hw.pagesize32: 16384
hw.cachelinesize: 128
hw.l1icachesize: 131072
hw.l1dcachesize: 65536
hw.l2cachesize: 4194304
hw.tbfrequency: 24000000
hw.packages: 1
hw.osenvironment:
hw.ephemeral_storage: 0
hw.use_recovery_securityd: 0
hw.use_kernelmanagerd: 1
hw.serialdebugmode: 0
hw.optional.floatingpoint: 1
hw.optional.watchpoint: 4
hw.optional.breakpoint: 6
hw.optional.neon: 1
hw.optional.neon_hpfp: 1
hw.optional.neon_fp16: 1
hw.optional.armv8_1_atomics: 1
hw.optional.armv8_crc32: 1
hw.optional.armv8_2_fhm: 1
hw.optional.armv8_2_sha512: 1
hw.optional.armv8_2_sha3: 1
hw.optional.amx_version: 2
hw.optional.ucnormal_mem: 1
hw.optional.arm64: 1
hw.targettype: J313

There is only this one line showing hw.optional.watchpoint: 4, and it might take another Apple hardware release to know if that does indeed change with the amount of high performance or high-efficiency cores.

[Byron]

To make it a little less specific, a point validly criticised in the linked sysinfo issue, here is the announced Intel Alder Lake CPU which introduces the concept of 'big' and 'small' cores.

Let's see what AMD will do.

[pedantic79]

With Big Sur Monterey on an M1 Pro, I get this output now:

» sysctl -a | rg cpu


kern.cpu_checkin_interval: 4000
kern.sched_rt_avoid_cpu0: 0
hw.ncpu: 10
hw.activecpu: 10
hw.perflevel0.cpusperl2: 4
hw.perflevel0.logicalcpu: 8
hw.perflevel0.logicalcpu_max: 8
hw.perflevel0.physicalcpu: 8
hw.perflevel0.physicalcpu_max: 8
hw.perflevel1.cpusperl2: 2
hw.perflevel1.logicalcpu: 2
hw.perflevel1.logicalcpu_max: 2
hw.perflevel1.physicalcpu: 2
hw.perflevel1.physicalcpu_max: 2
hw.cpu64bit_capable: 1
hw.cpufamily: 458787763
hw.cpusubfamily: 4
hw.cpusubtype: 2
hw.cputype: 16777228
hw.logicalcpu: 10
hw.logicalcpu_max: 10
hw.physicalcpu: 10
hw.physicalcpu_max: 10
machdep.cpu.brand_string: Apple M1 Pro
machdep.cpu.core_count: 10
machdep.cpu.cores_per_package: 10
machdep.cpu.logical_per_package: 10
machdep.cpu.thread_count: 10

Should be able to get the values from hw.perflevel0 and hw.perflevel1

[Byron]

That's great, it looks like they have improved the output on Monterey, which the minimum OS for the M1 Pro CPUs.

Now it looks like the perflevelN key can be used to differentiate the core counts.