18.04 about virtualmin-install

[jcameron]

Ok, the 1.883 devel version is now available at http://www.webmin.com/devel.html

[iliajie]

I would also like to ask adding Fedora to the list. Fedora distro should have all necessary dependencies.

Is this that difficult?

[swelljoe]

Ubuntu 18.04 LTS support will likely come a week or so after it is officially released. Maybe a little more or less. I don't know of any changes that will impact Virtualmin (i.e. all the hard stuff, like the systemd change) already happened, so it's probably a very easy process. I probably just need to rebuild a couple of binaries, make new repos, and do a lot of testing.

Fedora is one that I've unofficially supported a few times along the way (19 and 20, I think, most recently), and officially way back in the early days. But, the life cycle is so short, and too many people were using it on servers and then making dumb decisions about their servers when EOL came, like continuing to run outdated software for years. I may unofficially support it again for developers (i.e. me, since I run Fedora on my development laptop) at some point...very likely during the Virtualmin 7 development cycle (I dunno when it'll start, as I need to get some other website stuff finished). Supporting Fedora is perhaps the easiest of all, but having users try to use Fedora on servers is disastrous, so I don't do it most of the time, and when I do, I don't advertise it.

[iliajie]

@swelljoe Thank you, Joe.

.. too many people were using it on servers and then making dumb decisions about their servers when EOL came, like continuing to run outdated software for years.

I have upgraded already 3 distros with no issues at all. You just run:

dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=27
dnf system-upgrade reboot

It takes only 15-20 minutes downtime to run the update.

I may unofficially support it again for developers

That would be good for all, I think. Maybe we'll be able to write an article and post it for Fedora Magazine hoping that they would publish it. I think official support would be good too.

Supporting Fedora is perhaps the easiest of all, but having users try to use Fedora on servers is disastrous..

Joe, it's not disastrous - it's the stereotype. I can tell you from my experience - Fedora Server as smooth as it can be. Literally super stable and perfect overall. I only once (from 2 years running it) had an issue with syslog package. I figured the issue out in 10 minutes and fixed it. Besides, you can always downgrade to previous version of the package.

[swelljoe]

I don't fall back on "I'm older and wiser" as a reason for doing things (or not doing things) very often, but I'm gonna play the "older and wiser" card on this one. ;-)

[iliajie]

I don't fall back on "I'm older and wiser"

You are a little bit older but much wiser 😉

but I'm gonna play the "older and wiser" card on this one.

That's alright. I think having larger scale is always better for the project in general, as long as we don't jeopardise overall quality and invest unreasonably much of the time.

[swelljoe]

Just a quick update on this:

Installer support for 18.04 is done, I think, but I still need to build a metapackage for dependencies. It probably won't be finished tonight, as it's late and I'm tired and dependency analysis and searching out what packages have changed or have new names or whatever is tedious error-prone work.

But, super close to being finished. Should be done by tomorrow evening, if I can find a couple of free hours to go through the dependencies in the metapackage and then do some more test installs.

[ahyear]

hello,
it's a good news.
do you have any update? ^^

thank you

[swelljoe]

I'm waiting on a new Webmin devel release to wrap it up (or at least to get it out for testing by users). Hopefully coming soon.

[jcameron]

I'm kicking off a new 1.833 devel version now..

[swelljoe]

Cool. Will run some test installs and send PRs for any additional changes I need.

Thanks, @jcameron !

[swelljoe]

Done!

It needs a bit more testing before I call it really done, but I just completed the first successful install on 18.04 LTS and I can't find any problems with the resulting installation (SQLite module needs an update but that'll come today or tomorrow, and not a lot of folks are using it, so probably won't be noticed anyway.)