Consider removing object wrapper from Property payload about api

[benfrancis]

This has been playing on my mind too as I work on a greenfield web thing implementation and wonder whether to follow the Mozilla or W3C specification. I'd like to help converge the two but I don't think this change can be made to the Property resource in isolation, because Action and Event resources use the same object wrapper. It would also introduce inconsistency between the REST API and WebSocket API because the property name is still needed by the WebSocket API which lacks the additional context of Property resource URLs.

This is one issue I hope to address in the Web Thing Protocol Community Group so feel free to join that group if you are interested and I will try to get things kicked off at some point this year!!

[jtc42]

Thanks! I've joined the community group now.

I agree that changing the Mozilla spec would have enough ramifications that it's likely infeasible, but I feel like the inconsistencies between the HTTP and WS APIs can be reconciled by treating the keys in the data object as an equivalent to the REST resource. The WS API wouldn't have to change for properties, and allows for batch property setters, for example:

{
  "messageType": "setProperty",
  "data": {
    "leftMotor": 100,
    "rightMotor": 200
  }
}

The REST equivalent would be a pair of requests, first to the leftMotor resource, with the body 100, then to the rightMotor resource, with the body 200

I do also agree that it doesn't make sense to change properties in isolation, but the same wrapper removal might also make sense for Actions especially, given that in the REST API the action name and input keys seem redundant given that the action name is in the resource URI, and the input is implied by sending a request body. In the WS API this would be:

{
  "messageType": "requestAction",
  "data": {
    "goForward": {
      "argument1": "value 1",
      "argument2": "value 2",
    },
  }
}

And for the REST API would be equivalent to a request to /actions/goForward with a request body:

{
  "argument1": "value 1",
  "argument2": "value 2",
}

I'm fumbling my way around the community group but hopefully there will be some kind of forum better suited for this discussion. I'm largely posting it here so it's out there before I forget...

[danielpeintner]

In older versions of JSON an integer or string on its own would not be valid JSON, so it needed to be wrapped in an object.

I agree and confirm that the obsolete RFC 4627 is superseded by RFC 7159 which allows numbers, strings and such to be valid JSON.

Besides the existing rational I would like to add some more minor reasons why you might want to remove the wrapper.

• "type" matches actual payload (allows easy out-of-the box JSON schema validation)
• reduced payload / message sizes
• get rid of possible issues about conflicting names such as "href": "/things/pi/properties/temperature"} returning {"temp": 21}

However, I have to admit that I am certainly not fully aware of all the problems/consequences such a change might cause.

[jtc42]

We're currently exploring a Web Things implementation designed for lab instrumentation, and have come up against this issue recently.

Our existing code works like the W3C spec and removes the object wrapper. We would, however, obviously prefer to be more compatible with Mozilla Web Things.

I'm realise such a massive change to the Mozilla spec is unlikely, but I'll follow this thread just in case. It'd be wonderful to have full compatibility, but as @danielpeintner said, I'm also not fully aware of the consiquences of such a change.

[danielpeintner]

I am not sure if it helps but the only thing that needs to be clear is that Web Thing Descriptions and WoT TDs are not 100% the same.

Having said that, for example a Web Thing Description property

...
	"temperature": {
		"type": "number",
		"links": [{
			"href": "/things/pi/properties/temperature"
		}]
	}
...

maps to a WoT TD as follows.

...
	"temperature": {
		"type": "object",
		"properties": {
			"temperature": {
				"type": "number"
			}
		},
		"forms": [{
			"href": "/things/pi/properties/temperature"
		}]
	}
...

I believe there are other differences besides type and forms/links as well, am I wrong?

[jtc42]

The only other difference I know of off the top of my head is that the W3C spec schema requires the @context to contain "https://www.w3.org/2019/wot/td/v1". It’s worth noting that the context given by default in Mozilla TDs is not truly valid for the W3C spec anyway as it resolves to a webpage, not a JSON-LD file. I don’t think the schema specifies this, but an online validator exists which gets unhappy if your context items don’t resolve to LD files.

[benfrancis]

I have started to document the differences between the Mozilla and W3C specifications here. Please feel free to edit the wiki page if you find any other differences that need addressing.

[jtc42]

I have started to document the differences between the Mozilla and W3C specifications here. Please feel free to edit the wiki page if you find any other differences that need addressing.

This is super useful, thank you for writing it up!

I’m very new to following the W3C standardisation process, so am I right in thinking that the W3C TD spec is unlikely to change significantly now? I just wonder how prospective convergence is likely to work.

[egekorkan]

I right in thinking that the W3C TD spec is unlikely to change significantly now

Yes, this is correct :) The TD spec is in a maintenance round where a V1.1 will be introduced in 1-2 years (or maybe sooner) but will stay backward-compatible while adding some new features and fixing unclear or under-documented parts. This also means that if you want to propose new features, now is a good time ;)

[benfrancis]

I just wonder how prospective convergence is likely to work.

The hope of @mrstegeman and I is that the output of the Web Thing Protocol Community Group will fill in enough of the gaps (by defining a concrete sub-protocol for the Web of Things) that the Mozilla implementation will be able to migrate to that, and that if any changes are needed to the W3C Thing Description specification to make that work they should be quite minimal. I can't guarantee that the Mozilla implementation will ever support all W3C compliant Thing Descriptions (or all the features of Thing Descriptions) though, because IMO that's effectively impossible because of the way it is architected.

FYI I put out a call for Use Cases & Requirements for the Web Thing Protocol yesterday on the public mailing list and you can see a first draft to start the conversation here.

Another thing that might help is the W3C WoT Profiles work, which may make it possible to annotate a Thing Description to constrain it to using a particular (sub)-protocol. I am hoping to discuss that in the virtual face to face meeting today.

[erkann-sen]

Hi everyone,

There is one other thing, that differs in Mozilla WebThing Description from TD.
The events usage in HTTP, in here events are explained as

"An Event Interaction Affordance describes an event source that pushes data asynchronously from the Thing to the Consumer."

But in Mozilla WebThing if an HTTP request to events URL is made. It returns the event history (not an event), synchronously, which should be a readOnly property not an event as logically.

So the only way it should work is in forms (or links in Mozilla), it should give a WebSocket link rather than an HTTP link.

By data types, there are 2 possibilities, 1-Change the return type from Object to value itself, or change the data type in Description as object and put the properties of objects correctly.

I am working, with this problem in my master thesis and created an hybrid approach, to tackle this problem with ease. By using node-wot library and an helper that I wrote, I can consume and use a Mozilla WebThing with a W3c consumer in here.

The helper;

• changes the Mozilla Description (links to forms, events url to WS url)
• implements a WS binding to get the events
• overrides the value transformer methods (add the data in an object when sending a request, take the data inside the object in response)

[benfrancis]

"An Event Interaction Affordance describes an event source that pushes data asynchronously from the Thing to the Consumer."

This is quite off-topic now, but there are a couple of problems with that definition in the W3C specification IMO:

1. HTTP doesn't have an established mechanism for pushing data asynchronously from a server to a client. Long-polling and Server Sent Events can both be used for this purpose, but the former is a bit of hack and the latter doesn't have good browser support.
2. It's not very efficient to have a separate WebSocket connection for every affordance of a web thing, which is why the Mozilla specification points to a single WebSocket endpoint for each web thing in the top level links member rather than individual interaction affordances.

The Mozilla specification takes a pragmatic approach by using WebSockets to push event data to clients where possible and lets a client fall back to using HTTP GET requests to pull event data from the server when a WebSocket is not available.

The W3C specification does not specify a default mechanism for events (the HTTP Protocol Binding section doesn't mention events at all), so every web thing does it slightly differently.

I've added a note to the wiki page to say:

The Mozilla specification defines an Event resource for getting a log of instances of an event, an Events resource for getting a log of all events and a top level link to a WebSocket endpoint which can be used to push all types of events from the server to the client. By contrast the W3C specification defines a form for each event affordance, but does not specify a default mechanism for communicating event data.