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jugglinmike avatar jugglinmike commented on June 16, 2024

The first solution that comes to mind is for Infra to define a macro-like shorthand named "throw if abrupt". It could look something like this:

Algorithms steps that say or are otherwise equivalent to:

  1. Throw if abrupt given argument.

mean the same thing as:

  1. Assert: argument is a Completion Record.
  2. If argument is an abrupt completion, throw argument.[[Value]].
  3. Else, set argument to argument.[[Value]].

And here's how it could be used to correct "serialize a JavaScript value to a JSON string":

-1. Let result be ? Call(%JSON.stringify%, undefined, « value »).
+1. Let result be Call(%JSON.stringify%, undefined, « value »).
+1. Throw if abrupt given result.
 1. If result is undefined, then throw a TypeError.
 1. Assert: result is a string.
 1. Return result.

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jugglinmike avatar jugglinmike commented on June 16, 2024

The "?" operator appears about 60 times in HTML (the simple search query includes some false positives):

$ grep '\s?' html/source | wc -l
60

In addition to the semantics problem detailed in this issue's description, neither Infra nor HTML explain what "?" means.

WebIDL is more explicit in its application of "?", annotating each use with a reference to the definition in ECMA262.

$ grep '\[=?=]' webidl/index.bs | wc -l
74

WebIDL also indirectly explains the operator by explicitly adopting the algorithm conventions of ECMA262. Unfortunately, it does this by making some inaccurate statements about the relevant semantics:

Algorithms in this section use the conventions described in [=ECMA-262 Algorithm conventions=], such as the use of steps and substeps, the use of mathematical operations, and so on. This section may also reference abstract operations and notations defined in other parts of ECMA-262.

When an algorithm says to throw a |Something|Error then this means to construct a new ECMAScript |Something|Error object in the [=current realm=] and to throw it, just as the algorithms in ECMA-262 do.

Note that algorithm steps can call in to other algorithms and abstract operations and not explicitly handle exceptions that are thrown from them. When an exception is thrown by an algorithm or abstract operation and it is not explicitly handled by the caller, then it is taken to end the algorithm and propagate out to its caller, and so on.

With all this in mind, here's a variation on the solution I suggested above:

  1. Define the "?" operator in Infra using the above description of "throw if abrupt" and a note highlighting the distinction with ECMA262's definition
  2. Annotate Infra's uses of the operator with a reference to Infra's new definition
  3. Annotate HTML's uses of the operator with a reference to Infra's new definition
  4. Update WebIDL's uses of the operator to instead reference Infra's new definition
  5. Clarify the description of "throw" semantics in WebIDL

Generally, I'd prefer to use a distinct algorithm name in order to avoid confusion, especially for an esoteric shorthand like "?". One issue with that is the amount of churn it would involve (using "throw if abrupt" or similar would involve splitting algorithm steps apart).

I think overriding the operator might work in this case, though. The proliferation of this problem suggests that folks are tacitly performing the translation on their own. In that respect, overriding the operator for web specs just closes a loophole for folks who are new to this work and for those who are scrutinizing the boundaries with ECMA262.

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annevk avatar annevk commented on June 16, 2024

I like the idea of linking ? and explaining its slightly adjusted meaning. I wonder if that covers all potentially confusing cases or if you can still stumble upon some resulting from this mixing of styles.

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jmdyck avatar jmdyck commented on June 16, 2024

I agree with the problem statement, and the 5-step approach sounds good.

However, the problem of completion records is a bit bigger:.

  • Infra probably needs to say something about break/continue/return completions.
  • There's the question of what to do in cases where it's known that a particular invocation of an AO can only return a normal completion. Possibilities:
    • Infra could define its version of ! too.
    • Infra-based specs could inline the semantics of ! if/where appropriate.
    • Infra-based specs could use ? in those situations and not care that it looks like it might throw when you know it can't.

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jugglinmike avatar jugglinmike commented on June 16, 2024

Thanks, @jmdyck! As a fourth possibility about asserting normal completions, could we consider just referencing ECMA262's definition of "!" directly? As I understand the semantics, they already seem coherent from the perspective of WHATWG conventions.

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jmdyck avatar jmdyck commented on June 16, 2024

Yup, that too.

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