Pretty significant artifacting even at 320kbps and 384kbps about opus

[Rainboom-Dash]

I wanted to be sure it wasn't just because I was listening to a short sample... I'm pretty sure the first 45 seconds or so there can be more artifacting.. haven't fully tested that... Anyway, I believe it was a lot harder (I can't remember how it was before) it took a lot longer and I only got 15/16.. I know I heard artifacts it was just.. EXTREMELY subtle.... Still, I think 256 or AT LEAST 288 or AAC is FULLY transparent.. so... 320 of Opus...

ABX test

https://i.imgur.com/Ry4HIIX.png

[Rainboom-Dash]

Here's with a different song.. this one was easy to ABX even at 384... I didn't ABX 448 but I did listen to it and a lot of the artifacting was gone... the thump from the 384 is completely gone and a lot of the crackling is gone... those were the artifacts... I briefly tried WASAPI and still heard the artifacts.... so it's not a DirectSound thing

https://i.imgur.com/XOXTzft.png

And the encoder settings

General
Complete name : C:\Users\Bryce\Downloads\Aurelleah - Chromatica-test384.opus
Format : Ogg
File size : 11.9 MiB
Duration : 4 min 20 s
Overall bit rate : 385 kb/s
Track name : Chromatica
Performer : Aurelleah
Recorded date : 2016
Writing application : opusenc from opus-tools 0.1.10
ISRC : GBSMU2645492
Comment : Visit http://aurelleah.bandcamp.com
ENCODER_OPTIONS : --quiet --bitrate 384 --vbr --ignorelength

Audio
ID : 27744 (0x6C60)
Format : Opus
Duration : 4 min 20 s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 44.1 kHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Writing library : libopus 1.2.1

I made sure to normalize the lossless down -5db first and then recompress into Opus to avoid any further clipping, which would void the test

[Rainboom-Dash]

Here's the song for the last one... the 320 mp3 is available for free so I'm sure for testing purposes releasing the lossless is okay

It happens pretty much the whole song but there's some areas that are worse than others... like between around 1:45-1:55 in the song is one of the spots

This is the normalized version I recompressed with Opus... so that's why I'm linking it

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ApIZ8h31R_Rtxr5NLJGk4GU6DVG4b3lD/view?usp=sharing

[Rainboom-Dash]

Hmm... weird

Maybe the software he used to create it were a bunch of mp3s shrugs

What about the first audio sample?

Because even 320kbps shouldn't have pretty drastic artifacts....

I could ask him what software he uses... but on his Youtube page it says

DAW: FL Studio 12
Synths: Serum, Sylenth1
Orchestral: EWQL Hollywood Orchestra, Metropolis Ark
Piano: Pianoteq 5 D4/K2

[Rainboom-Dash]

Okay... I'll upload the 320kbps one since the artifacting is like 3x more audible versus 384... I can hear it at 384 but it is relatively subtle

320kbps with the Chromatica one: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j9G2yMXN7ZDWwpW-Odmqz2szwH9xUZwX/view?usp=sharing

I find it especially noticeable between about 1:45 and 1:50 in the sample, at least.... but it happens throughout the song... it's basically thumping/popping sounds.. there was one part where there's a loud 'thump' but I can't remember where it is.. I could listen through it and find out

320kbps with the Giggle one: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NvOUhT40GJx8mluNetTXwFx8O4-XuguT/view?usp=sharing

and lossless so you can compare: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YgKhrWXyhWLgv-VFD3_9qwT6ENAm_dC7/view?usp=sharing

Now that one.. is a lot harder to detect the artifacts... if you can't hear them I'll link the 192kbps Opus one as it's M U C H more audible... but I think it's most audible around 1:00 to 1:15 or so.. I would link a short sample but it seems if enough time doesn't go on within an audio clip or something there will be a lot more artifacting.. it's weird... so that's why I'm linking the whole song

The artifacts with the first one is basically thumping/popping sounds..... the second one is mostly a whirling sound that makes the audio a lot less 'clean' sounding

On the first one there was a big thump that made it V E R Y easy to pass the ABX test even at 384kbps.... I should probably listen to it and try to find it again...

[Rainboom-Dash]

I can't find the thump.. but the crackling mostly happens between about 1:45 and 1:48.... it happens other places too, but that's one part where it's REALLY audible even at 384kbps

[Rainboom-Dash]

I should probably post what I'm using to listen...

I'm using: https://www.oppodigital.com/headphones-pm-3/

With: https://www.oppodigital.com/headphone-amplifier-ha-2SE/

except I'm using the older HA-2 version and not the HA-2SE

I'm not using 'bass boost' or anything... just the flat frequency response...

I realize I probably don't need an amp but... eh..

[Rainboom-Dash]

So.. I have a question, how does it detect whether something is truly lossless or not? I mean... I know it's not an absolute 100% sure that the song isn't truly lossless but still..

[Rainboom-Dash]

I checked the spectrograms of both the version I have (not normalized) and the version on pony.fm and they look absolutely identical... one is 1057kbps in FLAC and the other 1059... but they could have different compression settings

Test with this one (non-normalized Bandcamp version)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tp79tJC9VRBAqLBNdu9pzvZQctej2yjj/view?usp=sharing

Or I could probably test it...

[Rainboom-Dash]

Wait, gimmie a sec...

[Rainboom-Dash]

Omg... lmao... the one I linked was to the 320 mp3 normalized version.... that would explain it...

Um... lemme make sure I tested with the lossless..

whaaaat... how could I make that silly of a mistake... omg... I thought I had normalized the lossless one... pfft... anyway, the one on Bandcamp is lossless I just have to test it

[Rainboom-Dash]

Hang on, no.... no....

Hang on... I'm so confused right now.. lemme collect my thoughts and... ugh...

[Rainboom-Dash]

Okay... the one I tested was the lossless one... just now I was looking at the spectrogram of the 384kbps Opus one so of course that cut off at 20khz and made me think it was the 320 mp3 version....

I just re-tested just to make sure with the truly lossless from Bandcamp with 320kbps Opus and the artifacting was extremely audible... didn't even need to ABX... I started the ABX test but then was immediately able to tell which one was which from the 1:45 to 1:50 mark or so...

The one I linked to here was stupidly the 320 mp3 version... you can tell since it cuts off at 20khz... but I'm 98% sure I tested with the lossless on my end.. I just linked to the wrong one on Google Drive...

Actually, I just looked at the ABX test... I'm 100% sure I tested with the lossless now.... the file names are different from the one I linked to and the one I actually listened to

This is the one I actually tested with and is truly lossless:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jhw--FQbS31MIxd_v848MK5c6gjw3V3K/view?usp=sharing

I don't know how I could make such a silly mistake as linking to the normalized 320 mp3 one that I made a while back...

[Rainboom-Dash]

I just linked it in my last post....

It's the actual file I used to test with... I just accidentally linked to the wrong one on Google Drive

[Rainboom-Dash]

I took the FLAC put it in audacity then normalized it down 5db then re-saved as 16-bit wav then took the wav and compressed into Opus Then I ran both the normalized wav and the Opus through an ABX test

[Rainboom-Dash]

Um... Should be 48khz... You sure you're looking at one of the .opus or .ogg ones? I can check when I get home but almost positive it's 48khz

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On Tue, May 1, 2018, 12:05 PM damian101 ***@***.***> wrote: This is strange... Your Opus files all have a sample rate of 44.1 kHz. I always thought Opus would only support 48 kHz! When I convert a 44.1 kHz source to Opus (using fre:ac, Opus Audio Encoder v1.2.1) it has always a sample rate of 48 kHz...

[Rainboom-Dash]

Well, it's wrong...

Audacity and foobar both say it's 48khz

It's probably stupidly looking at the "original sample rate" and displaying that

https://i.imgur.com/KpBpfD7.png

[Rainboom-Dash]

As I said before, I linked it in a previous post

sigh I'll link it again...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jhw--FQbS31MIxd_v848MK5c6gjw3V3K/view?usp=sharing

[Rainboom-Dash]

"Yes, you're right, they are all 48 kHz, but why does MediaInfo show 44.1 kHz for your files and 48 kHz for mine?"

What do you mean? You mean you tried running a file you encoded with Opus and checked with MPC-HC to see the sample rate?

[Rainboom-Dash]

Ah... That looks completely different... Not same program Okay.. I recommend doing 320 as it's like 3x more audible versus 384.. also, on the Chromatic song I think between about 1:45 to 1:50 is one of the spots where it really has crackling

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On Sat, May 5, 2018, 6:16 AM damian101 ***@***.***> wrote: No, I checked the sample rate with the software MediaInfo <https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo>. I will do the ABX test today to see if I can really hear a difference. —

[Rainboom-Dash]

I can tell you for certain that I could hear crackling

If a delay causes crackling for a few seconds then I will.... otherwise there's no need to

I didn't hear a delay when switching through the ABX... but if it was just 50ms then it probably wasn't very noticeable

Actually... I didn't test starting at the beginning... it was in the middle of the song... so if the delay was just in the beginning of the song then there's no issue

[Rainboom-Dash]

As I said before, 1:45 to 1:50 in the song is one of the most noticeable spots... some parts I don't hear it at all... but some parts it's extremely audible

And higher bitrate does make it fade away... but we're talking like 448 and even then it might be extremely subtly audible

[Rainboom-Dash]

If you want to REALLY hear the artifacts I'm talking about then do 96kbps.... it'll show you what I mean... the crackling gets drastically worse at that bitrate compared to 320... 320 was bad but 96.. wow...

Ignore the slight higher frequency degradation... it's crackling you're listening for

[Rainboom-Dash]

So did you try 96kbps?

The crackling is massively increased at that bitrate... I realize 96kbps isn't that high but there still shouldn't be massive crackling... and considering it's audible at 384... and especially 320.... eh..

[Sa-Ja-Di]

Converted the linked Flac File with the Opus 1.3 RC2 release with a bitrate of 256 kbps - No crackling, no issues as i can hear.

Also at 96 kbps it is not extreme. Using here XMPlay to convert audio tracks on Windows.

[Rainboom-Dash]

I'll check in a few days, thanks for letting me know

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On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 12:55 AM Sajadi ***@***.***> wrote: Converted the linked Flac File with the Opus RC2 release with a bitrate of 256 kbps - No crackling, no issues as i can hear. — You are receiving this because you authored the thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#86 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AkUyzWBr-LjHuNQ3_BcjIwM9ylLo2bbkks5uS6DGgaJpZM4THtk2> .

[Rainboom-Dash]

(I haven't retested it yet, I need to retrain my ears with Opus 1.2.1 and then try with the 1.3 beta RC2 version.. which I have downloaded but just haven't tested, yet) but.. these kinds of artifacts can happen... Opus just tends to be more susceptible to them Like with 160kbps Apple AAC, normally would be extremely close to FULL transparency... but in one song there was a pretty audible faint 'thump'... it was just one time throughout the whole song IIRC and by 192kbps it was completely gone, IIRC... DEFINITELY by 224... I can't remember exactly But with Opus these thumps and crackles were happening all throughout the whole song and even at very high bitrates... one song at 320 it was pretty audible and another 384... which at those bitrates.. well.. that's just silly So I'll definitely have to retest... I doubt anything has changed but who knows... It is all relative on how audible these artifacts are... when I'm saying 'pretty audible' it's listening very carefully and knowing exactly what to listen for... regardless they are pretty significant for the bitrates

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On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 2:28 AM bryce11125 ***@***.***> wrote: I'll check in a few days, thanks for letting me know On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 12:55 AM Sajadi ***@***.***> wrote: > Converted the linked Flac File with the Opus RC2 release with a bitrate > of 256 kbps - No crackling, no issues as i can hear. > > — > You are receiving this because you authored the thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <#86 (comment)>, or mute > the thread > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AkUyzWBr-LjHuNQ3_BcjIwM9ylLo2bbkks5uS6DGgaJpZM4THtk2> > . >

[Rainboom-Dash]

And of course I did VBR with both codecs... if you don't some parts might >> not get enough bitrate and have pretty significant artifacting even at >> decent bitrates > >

Regardless for some reason that 'thump' happened with 160kbps Apple AAC... I'd expect extremely minor artifacts at that bitrate... not sure how it slipped through

[Rainboom-Dash]

So I still hear it at 192kbps pretty audibly on the Chromatic one

I didn't test 384, but I don't feel like ABXing right now and any higher than 192 and I probably would... hmm... I miiight be able to detect 320 without abxing and be certain... but 384 would definitely require ABX test I mean, it's crackling... it doesn't sound NEARLY as clean... so, yeah, I'm certain I hear it at 192 I tested with Opus 1.3 rc12... I think 15 is the latest and I could test that if you want, it's just that I already had rc12 downloaded I should test at a higher bitrate... but, still, if I can hear extremely audible crackling at 192kbps after normalizing the audio file down and converting from a true lossless file... then something is wrong Well, I assume it's truly lossless

[Rainboom-Dash]

it's mainly around 1:40 in the song that the crackling is audible

Maybe later on, too... but it doesn't reaaaally start until then

[Sa-Ja-Di]

@Rainboom-Dash

It looks more like to me that something screws up your encoding process

Sound is clean and issue free. I can not confirm any crackling at all. For the start - grab another encoding software and try on a different computer.

Also, some switches i am using you could try out:
--vbr --comp 10 --framesize 20

[Rainboom-Dash]

Could you send the 256kbps file you encoded over to me, please? I'll ABX it and see.. I'll also test with the headphones directly plugged into the motherboard instead of using the amplifier because maybe for some reason that is it... that wouldn't make sense at all, though

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On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 7:46 AM Sajadi ***@***.***> wrote: @Rainboom-Dash <https://github.com/Rainboom-Dash> You do something wrong when you encode. No crackling or other sound issues here at all. Sound is clean and issue free. Also, normalizing your audio files is highly recommended. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#86 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AkUyzTNkKomEHhq0RTE78x3eTyMr3Q3Bks5ubPalgaJpZM4THtk2> .

[Rainboom-Dash]

So... I'm almost positive it's my headphones making it so audible First of all, they are very expensive and high-quality headphones... so that helps... But the artifacting seems to also be in the lower ranges... as I lowpassed to 1khz and still heard the popping/crackling/thumping, although it was a lot lower pitched And it didn't clip... I made sure to normalize at least 15db below before using Audacity, as Audacity can clip the audio pretty easily when lowpassing for some reason... it's probably doing something stupid I just retested and at 96 it's actually just kind of audible.. I mean, if you're listening really closely and know exactly what to listen for and where to listen for it in the song and have the correct headphones, then it's easy... but otherwise I'd see how 256kbps+ would be hard.. Personally, I'd just use Apple AAC or mp3 if using higher bitrates... Also, a lot of times Apple AAC gets better compression than Opus.... it just depends on the song The 48khz sample rate eats some bitrate, too... probably not even 5% versus 44.1.... but, still For example.... one song I compressed with 96kbps Opus and it came out 97kbps... then I compressed with 128kbps Apple AAC and it came out 99kbps... but Apple AAC sounded a lot better (well, I didn't really test on that specific song but I know 128kbps Apple AAC is better than 96kbps Opus) That was a somewhat unique case, though... at 96kbps Apple AAC was only 75kbps and the artifacting wasn't very audible... so it definitely won over Opus Anyway, getting off topic here... yeah, I'm almost positive it's my headphones and also I know exactly what to listen for and where in the song

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On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 4:01 PM bryce11125 ***@***.***> wrote: Could you send the 256kbps file you encoded over to me, please? I'll ABX it and see.. I'll also test with the headphones directly plugged into the motherboard instead of using the amplifier because maybe for some reason that is it... that wouldn't make sense at all, though On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 7:46 AM Sajadi ***@***.***> wrote: > @Rainboom-Dash <https://github.com/Rainboom-Dash> > > You do something wrong when you encode. No crackling or other sound > issues here at all. > > Sound is clean and issue free. Also, normalizing your audio files is > highly recommended. > > — > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <#86 (comment)>, or mute > the thread > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AkUyzTNkKomEHhq0RTE78x3eTyMr3Q3Bks5ubPalgaJpZM4THtk2> > . >

[Rainboom-Dash]

I guess I should say that 128kbps apple AAC is USUALLY higher quality than >> 96kbps opus > >

Both were VBR, but Apple AAC was only 2kbps higher But to know for sure I'd have to test... At 75kbps Opus, the artifacts should be pretty audible (to match the bitrate of 96kbps Apple AAC) Actually, I'd rather test the 96kbps Opus versus 128 AAC But, yeah, I shouldn't say that 128kbps VBR AAC is always higher quality than 96kbps VBR Opus

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[Sa-Ja-Di]

@Rainboom-Dash
https://anonfile.com/K6ccV3i1b6/Aurelleah_-_Chromatica_-_Future_Dash_Theme_Melodic_Electrostep_opus

I would say a rather clean file without any big disturbing noise

[Rainboom-Dash]

You're right I compared with my encoded 256kbps version and I didn't ABX but I can definitely say it had minor artifacting... but yours I don't hear it But I didn't ABX.... and they aren't the same volume so I'd have to normalize it back down first But yours does sound cleaner, maybe even fully transparent Ah, I think yours is rc2 while mine is rc 12... so yours might actually be newer since the number is right beside the rc... I think yours is "rc2 2" and mine is "rc 12"

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On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 3:15 PM Sajadi ***@***.***> wrote: @Rainboom-Dash <https://github.com/Rainboom-Dash> https://anonfile.com/K6ccV3i1b6/Aurelleah_-_Chromatica_-_Future_Dash_Theme_Melodic_Electrostep_opus I would say a rather clean file without any big disturbing noise — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#86 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AkUyzXNUiOrEZ33IZqKKn_NbQ4xrenz6ks5ukPhmgaJpZM4THtk2> .

[Rainboom-Dash]

I would need to hear both at 192 to be sure... as the popping becomes very audible on mine at that bitrate But I'm almost positive yours sounded fully transparent while mine didn't at 256kbps

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On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:38 PM bryce11125 ***@***.***> wrote: You're right I compared with my encoded 256kbps version and I didn't ABX but I can definitely say it had minor artifacting... but yours I don't hear it But I didn't ABX.... and they aren't the same volume so I'd have to normalize it back down first But yours does sound cleaner, maybe even fully transparent Ah, I think yours is rc2 while mine is rc 12... so yours might actually be newer since the number is right beside the rc... I think yours is "rc2 2" and mine is "rc 12" On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 3:15 PM Sajadi ***@***.***> wrote: > @Rainboom-Dash <https://github.com/Rainboom-Dash> > > https://anonfile.com/K6ccV3i1b6/Aurelleah_-_Chromatica_-_Future_Dash_Theme_Melodic_Electrostep_opus > > I would say a rather clean file without any big disturbing noise > > — > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <#86 (comment)>, or mute > the thread > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AkUyzXNUiOrEZ33IZqKKn_NbQ4xrenz6ks5ukPhmgaJpZM4THtk2> > . >

[Rainboom-Dash]

In fact at 192 is when I hear artifacting like air or something being added.. I don't know how to explain it but I hear it the very first like 3 seconds of the song.. very quick But by 256 it's gone on mine

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On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:42 PM bryce11125 ***@***.***> wrote: I would need to hear both at 192 to be sure... as the popping becomes very audible on mine at that bitrate But I'm almost positive yours sounded fully transparent while mine didn't at 256kbps On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:38 PM bryce11125 ***@***.***> wrote: > You're right > > I compared with my encoded 256kbps version and I didn't ABX but I can > definitely say it had minor artifacting... but yours I don't hear it > > But I didn't ABX.... and they aren't the same volume so I'd have to > normalize it back down first > > But yours does sound cleaner, maybe even fully transparent > > Ah, I think yours is rc2 while mine is rc 12... so yours might actually > be newer since the number is right beside the rc... I think yours is "rc2 > 2" and mine is "rc 12" > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 3:15 PM Sajadi ***@***.***> wrote: > >> @Rainboom-Dash <https://github.com/Rainboom-Dash> >> >> https://anonfile.com/K6ccV3i1b6/Aurelleah_-_Chromatica_-_Future_Dash_Theme_Melodic_Electrostep_opus >> >> I would say a rather clean file without any big disturbing noise >> >> — >> You are receiving this because you were mentioned. >> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub >> <#86 (comment)>, or mute >> the thread >> <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AkUyzXNUiOrEZ33IZqKKn_NbQ4xrenz6ks5ukPhmgaJpZM4THtk2> >> . >> >

[Rainboom-Dash]

It's within 2 or 3 seconds of starting the song I hear it.. it's like puffs of air And around the 1:43 to 1:47 range there's pretty significant popping But by 256 the popping is significantly reduced... I think the only way I was able to ABX 384 a while back is because I found a very specific time where an artifact happened I'll just link it https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lkgr0Q6Uz6g3tTl96ACtVf7V2c7GbyOC/view?usp=sharing The most audible artifacting is within the first 3 seconds or so of the song But that's what I'm talking about

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On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:49 PM bryce11125 ***@***.***> wrote: In fact at 192 is when I hear artifacting like air or something being added.. I don't know how to explain it but I hear it the very first like 3 seconds of the song.. very quick But by 256 it's gone on mine On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:42 PM bryce11125 ***@***.***> wrote: > I would need to hear both at 192 to be sure... as the popping becomes > very audible on mine at that bitrate > > But I'm almost positive yours sounded fully transparent while mine didn't > at 256kbps > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:38 PM bryce11125 ***@***.***> wrote: > >> You're right >> >> I compared with my encoded 256kbps version and I didn't ABX but I can >> definitely say it had minor artifacting... but yours I don't hear it >> >> But I didn't ABX.... and they aren't the same volume so I'd have to >> normalize it back down first >> >> But yours does sound cleaner, maybe even fully transparent >> >> Ah, I think yours is rc2 while mine is rc 12... so yours might actually >> be newer since the number is right beside the rc... I think yours is "rc2 >> 2" and mine is "rc 12" >> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 3:15 PM Sajadi ***@***.***> wrote: >> >>> @Rainboom-Dash <https://github.com/Rainboom-Dash> >>> >>> https://anonfile.com/K6ccV3i1b6/Aurelleah_-_Chromatica_-_Future_Dash_Theme_Melodic_Electrostep_opus >>> >>> I would say a rather clean file without any big disturbing noise >>> >>> — >>> You are receiving this because you were mentioned. >>> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub >>> <#86 (comment)>, or mute >>> the thread >>> <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AkUyzXNUiOrEZ33IZqKKn_NbQ4xrenz6ks5ukPhmgaJpZM4THtk2> >>> . >>> >>

[Sa-Ja-Di]

@Rainboom-Dash I can not confirm the popping with the link you have given me between 1:43 - 1:47 - used the same headphones like i did when creating the Opus version i have shared.

I highly recommend either to try your own file out with a different player or on a a different computer.

Like that one here:
http://www.un4seen.com/xmplay.html

Also make sure you get the
WASAPI output plugin (revision 4a)
from the plugin page - just unzip it right into the XMPlay directory and try out again.

[Rainboom-Dash]

There's no puffs of air within the first few seconds of starting the song at 192kbps? Weird... To me it's pretty loud and audible

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On Sat, Oct 13, 2018, 7:52 AM Sajadi ***@***.***> wrote: @Rainboom-Dash <https://github.com/Rainboom-Dash> I can not confirm the popping with the link you have given me between 1:43 - 1:47 - used the same headphones like i did when creating the Opus version i have shared. I highly recommend either to try your own file out with a different player or on a a different computer. Like that one here: http://www.un4seen.com/xmplay.html Also make sure you get the WASAPI output plugin (revision 4a) from the plugin page - just unzip it right into the XMPlay directory and try out again. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#86 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AkUyzYeD-3NnSDacRtny-ZMwVGmAVp8Nks5ukeH8gaJpZM4THtk2> .

[Sa-Ja-Di]

@Rainboom-Dash What i hear is rather minor. I would not call that loud or audible - at least not to the degree where it is annoying

[Rainboom-Dash]

Minor? Hmm, maybe to you.. to me it's some rather nasty artifacting that you'd mainly hear with 96 m4as or lower I'm curious if it happens with the rc2 version.. hmmmmm.. because at 192 those artifacts shouldn't be happening... If it was 160 then maaaaybe.. even then There was only one time I heard a significant artifact with 160 Apple AAC and it was a quiet 'thump' and it was pretty minor and rare

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On Sat, Oct 13, 2018, 1:14 PM Sajadi ***@***.***> wrote: @Rainboom-Dash <https://github.com/Rainboom-Dash> What i hear is rather minor. I would not call that loud or audible - at least not to the degree where it is annoying — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#86 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AkUyzYtJ-0XuiqaAserd4YkgzPP6-Kx1ks5uki19gaJpZM4THtk2> .