Website Redesign about boxofdevs.github.io

[HimbeersaftLP]

@Ad5001 Why not write it in brainfuck and compile for a Microcontroller that connects via a serial interface to a dial-up modem?

[dragonwocky]

Seriously.... We don't need to do our own backend.

The only thing we might need it for is auto-compiling .phars - and we don't actually need or want that.

@TheRoyalBlock said "BOD is not good at maintaining and updated plugins" - true. Why would we need to auto-compile updates when there is nothing to update?

These points and others, as AvgZing said, were discussed in the staff channel on Discord, and yes - we don't need our own backend. For what we need, GitHub Pages is good enough...

[catgirlinspace]

Or, we could just use the built in Jekyll templating.

[catgirlinspace]

@nathfreder GitHub Pages supports Jekyll built in and really Ruby knowledge isn’t needed. The reason you would use it on GitHub Pages is for things like changing a Navbar. Do you want to change all 10 or 100 or even more pages just to update the Navbar, when you could simply change 1 file.

[SuperOP535]

bootstrap

[Ad5001]

maintained by Facebook

That's the reason I don't code with React.

[AvgZing]

FFS NATE STOP GOING ON ABOUT BACKEND! WE'RE NOT HAVING IT!

I said backend page because the majority of the website would be static frontend, no backend, and only one page would have some backend and frontend.

We are talking about backend.

That language honestly has too many security concerns and is not a modern language, Node.js and Go are modern.

[Ad5001]

Hey, why not make our own linux distro which would include an hardcoded Assembly made webserver hosting our website?

The current website has a backend, in case you did not know.

@TheDragonRing How about this, we do the frontend then evaluate about the backend.

[AvgZing]

NAH NAH NAH OURS DOESn"T HAVE A SHADOW

[catgirlinspace]

I tired React and didn’t even finish the tutorial.

[SuperOP535]

And I'm doing about frontend

This is my timeline as someone who has been working with this for while.
@TheRoyalBlock @Dog2puppy

• Select a backend language. (Node.js or Go)
• Select a fronted framework. (Vue or Handlebars)
• Work on the wireframe using invisionapp.com.
• Start a Glitch project and invite everyone.
• Begin development of the frontend.
• Begin development of the backend.
• Release Website

[SuperOP535]

why not php

[AvgZing]

@nathfreder

1. We will not have a backend page, it's been decided by staff on discord
2. Frontend and wireframe will likely be coded from scratch to avoid going outdated
3. No usage of glitch, everything will be on github pages

[catgirlinspace]

@TheRoyalBlock What discussion is this? I was never invited.

[catgirlinspace]

I am part of staff. I’m arguing with @nathfreder. I think we need a backend to torture @TheRoyalBlock with writing JS because... It’ll be a good learning experience.

[dragonwocky]

@BoxOfDevs/members @nathfreder @SuperOP535 let me clear this up.

The entire idea of having a backend in the first place was based on a misunderstanding, an old post that most people had forgotten about / were ignoring. We aren't actually having a blog (there's nothing to post on one).

Then it turned into the idea that we might need to auto-compile projects, but as I pointed out earlier - we have nothing to auto-compile, and even if we did, I'm not sure users would actually want to use not-yet-functional half-coded versions of updates. For plugins, we can manually use Poggit and GitHub releases, and for other projects either they won't need compiling (frontend web projects), or they'll be a kind of project we haven't yet considered, and so we'll deal with that when we come to it.

Now it seems mainly just that some people want a backend (for what reason I'm no longer sure), and it's turned into an argument with seemingly no solution.

Let's just get the frontend done first, as @@nathfreder said, then we will hopefully realise that we don't need a backend.

Oh, and BTW? What's all this about boxofdevs.com going? At the moment, since the domain hasn't expired, we might as well use it. When it does expire, I may renew it or we may just stick with boxofdevs.github.io - either way, I'm not sure what that has to do with this...

P.S. Yes, as @TheRoyalBlock said, I made a branch called total-revamp. I'm working on a commit that's almost finished, then once it's done (adds a few basics and things like jQuery + FontAwesome), we can start planning what we want the site to end up looking like.

Edit: That commit has now been pushed. At the moment, the jQuery and FontAwesome files are there ready to use, but later on they may be changed to CDNs. See the commit here: 089c0e0

[AvgZing]

AND OURS IS A PNG

[catgirlinspace]

Closing this because we have a new repo.

[AvgZing]

I, like @Ad5001, propose that we do everything from scratch as frameworks will quickly go outdated.

[catgirlinspace]

I propose we use Vue for a JS Framework, and Bulma for styling.

@TheRoyalBlock Uhh, React has been around since 2014 and is being actively maintained by Facebook. Why do we need auto-updaters and phar packagers, we have PocketMine Tools and DevTools for that. Just for reference “Bulma” is not a framework, it is a style library.

[catgirlinspace]

Bulma for styling.

I did say we could use Bulma for styling.

[AvgZing]

Whooops with the Bulma thing

Also: We don't want people to rely on other sites for our plugins. Auto compilation is helpful.

[HimbeersaftLP]

Considering that our projects "backend" would most likely be on some free host, I'd expect that to be less reliable than Poggit and GitHub.

[catgirlinspace]

@HimbeersaftLP I have a $10/month DigitalOcean droplet. And yes, it’s on the new pricing, meaning 2GB of RAM.

[AvgZing]

@HimbeersaftLP It would be hosted on glitch. If we were to proceed with that idea, each plugin would have:

• Auto updater
• Auto compiler
• Stable releases section (Manually mark a compiled build as stable)
• Description

@HimbeersaftLP The “backend” would be located on Heroku or Glitch. Yes, they are free but they have a good reputation.

[HimbeersaftLP]

Poggit does have a good reputation too, when it doesn't come to the design and we don't need to reinvent the wheel for that (which, as by my experience, usually doesn't work out very well)

[SuperOP535]

glitch does have phar pre-installed

[AvgZing]

Poggit, however, doesn't have an auto-updater. We know that BOD is not good at maintaining and updated plugins, an auto updater is basically a necessity

[catgirlinspace]

And we’re talking about backend.
insert image

[SuperOP535]

[catgirlinspace]

light bulb appears 💡

We could create an API server using Node.js and Express. For front end, we make a SPA (single page web app) using Vue. In Vue, we would fetch data from the API and render it! And also, Vue supports GitHub Pages.

@Dog2puppy Agreed. We can build it as a static site, that is a great idea.

[SuperOP535]

blah blah php is awesome

[catgirlinspace]

@nathfreder What’s Invision App?

[SuperOP535]

no wait! we can use Java!!!!!!11!1!1

[SuperOP535]

java -jar boxofdevs.jar

[SuperOP535]

jQuery ftw

@TheRoyalBlock What is a backend, explain it to me. The term “backend page” does not make sense.

@TheRoyalBlock NO, EXPLAIN TO ME IF YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TRASH YOUR OWN SITE SINCE IT HAS A BACKEND TOO.

srry for caps

[AvgZing]

I am trashing my own site.

[SuperOP535]

this is the best conversation ever

@TheRoyalBlock Well since you are anti-backend boxofdevs.com must go.

[AvgZing]

boxofdevs.com is going, that's what this conversation is all about.

[catgirlinspace]

We’re having a backend!!!

@TheRoyalBlock Yeah, but why get rid of things that are already there?

[SuperOP535]

I've made an archive just incase someone decides to remove the comments, https://web.archive.org/web/20180206205127/https://github.com/BoxOfDevs/boxofdevs.github.io/issues/26 one day we will look on this and remember

Lol

[AvgZing]

@SuperOP535 Most of these will be removed in a few days, but an archive is already in #status on discord

@TheRoyalBlock Why, open source is meant to be open?

[AvgZing]

Just an offtopic heads up: My messages on discord aren't sending at all, don't try to have a convo on there with me. @nathfreder Why to what? The posts will be removed because they're offtopic. And also, IT IS AN OFFICIAL DECISION THAT WE'RE NOT DOING OUR OWN BACKEND. DON'T TRY TO OVERRIDE IT, @nathfreder. YOU'RE NOT EVEN PART OF THE STAFF! Anyways, that's a good idea.

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[AvgZing]

I think i'm just gonna step out of this conversation now.

You guys can not do a backend, but I will do one on my own and make a optional pull request. @TheRoyalBlock, is that okay?

@TheRoyalBlock We need your input too.

[catgirlinspace]

I think I made them mad. slowly walks away

@Dog2puppy it is my fault, i think that it would be a good idea not to mention backend at all. If it is an official decision it is not my website to change.

[HimbeersaftLP]

@nathfreder What would you want that backend to do?

(to be clear, by backend I don't mean a webserver that just serves static files)

[catgirlinspace]

Should I make a new branch named develop?

@HimbeersaftLP I would like to use it for auto staff updates, news, projects updater, etc.

@Dog2puppy Can you invite me to boxofdevs.github.io repository, as a contributor so that I can add to the develop branch.

[catgirlinspace]

@TheRoyalBlock said no. 😢

[AvgZing]

And I said that for a reason.
We have total-revamp branch (Thanks @TheDragonRing).
Also, @nathfreder, we're nowhere near actually coding it. We haven't even come up with a design and framework yet!

[catgirlinspace]

And if we had Vue, it could be a SPA.

@Dog2puppy That is not needed and needs Ruby to even test. @TheRoyalBlock good point

@Dog2puppy That is if you use a theme, if you want to build your on Jenkyll site you need Ruby Gems to compile it, then when you upload to GitHub it will be built again by GitHub.

@TheDragonRing Can you invite me as a contributor to the boxofdevs.github.io repo?

[catgirlinspace]

@nathfreder You don't need to use a GitHub theme. You can use a GitHub theme. Take for example Dog2puppy/dog2puppy.github.io

@Dog2puppy We want to design the site for ourself, not use a crummy theme.

@TheDragonRing We can re-design the website, then I will make a logo in Adobe AI that is not stolen https://dartstorage.co/product/large-box

[catgirlinspace]

Yet, my own site doesn't use a theme. (Bulma is just styling)

@Dog2puppy I do not like Bulma, we are design the website as a group not from a library. BTW your site is offline.

[catgirlinspace]

https://dog2puppy.github.io/

Oh, I was using dog2puppy.tk Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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[catgirlinspace]

Our box is stolen? Who is responsible for this? @BoxOfDevs/members

THIS IS MY BOX!!!!!

[catgirlinspace]

THIS IS MY BOX!!!!!

[catgirlinspace]

I SEE TONS OF SHADOWS!!!

[AvgZing]

Sh

[catgirlinspace]

@TheRoyalBlock Do you have any JS experience?

[SuperOP535]

@TheDragonRing I were talking about frontend but they made me confused

[dragonwocky]

@SuperOP535 yeah dw. Everybody was a bit confused.
@Dog2puppy erhm... the image was originally off a Google search I think... we didn't discover it was stolen until recently-ish... and the one with the shadow is the old version...

[dragonwocky]

@BoxOfDevs/members @SuperOP535 @nathfreder change of plans. So that we can see the new site @ new.boxofdevs.com it will be in this repo.

[catgirlinspace]

And if you want to see what I'm doing using Jekyll, you can see it here and the finished design here.

@TheDragonRing Alright, now can someone please invite me to the repo.

[dragonwocky]

@nathfreder I'll add you, but since multiple people will be working on it at once please don't commit directly, use pull requests - even the BOD members are using them.

Alright. Sound good. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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