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Dolu1990 avatar Dolu1990 commented on May 26, 2024

Thanks :)

Would it be possible to add the iCE40 info to the Area usage and maximal frequency section too?
Yes, i have to do that, it would be also usefull.

It also looks like Murax SoC supports the iCE40 FPGA.
Right, tested on the ice40 hx8k-breakout board, also about supporting multiplication on DSP less FPGA, i recently added a iterative multiplication plugin which only use adders (https://github.com/SpinalHDL/VexRiscv#muldiviterativeplugin)

I'm very interested in know how big VexRiscv smallest is on the iCE40. It would also be interested to know the biggest configuration of VexRiscv that will fit on the various iCE40 parts.
I never toke a exact look to the VexRiscv area usage into iCE40, so i don't realy know the usage for this FPGA family, but i will add iCE40 into the synthesis benchmark.

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Dolu1990 avatar Dolu1990 commented on May 26, 2024

Updated https://github.com/SpinalHDL/VexRiscv#area-usage-and-maximal-frequency

One thing to know, is that in iCE40, if you want a FF without the LUT, you can't reuse the LUT for something else, and as VexRiscv is doing "much" pipelining, there is some overhead :)

(Most common FPGA allow to reuse the LUT even if the FF isn't using the lut output and most of the time the LUT usage is 2 time higher than the LUT usage)

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mithro avatar mithro commented on May 26, 2024

@Dolu1990 It would also be really interested to see this on the iCE40 UltraPlus UP5K device. It's a super low power device but has significantly lower performance.

@daveshah1 added support for these parts to icestorm a while black.

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Dolu1990 avatar Dolu1990 commented on May 26, 2024

@mithro I will give a try with the up5k ! Do you have some idea about the performance ratio between the ICE40 HX and the UP5K ?

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Dolu1990 avatar Dolu1990 commented on May 26, 2024

@mithro

Murax ->
  iCE40         -> 50 Mhz 2313 LC
  iCE40Ultra -> 18 Mhz 2313 LC
MuraxFast (more dhrystone/cycle)->
  iCE40         -> 49 Mhz 2644 LC
  iCE40Ultra -> 21 Mhz 2644 LC

Note that murax is a little bit smaller than before because i had to reduce the GPIO width from 32 to 8 bits to fit the up5k package.

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mithro avatar mithro commented on May 26, 2024

Is this with the IceCube2 / Radiant or Icestorm?

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Dolu1990 avatar Dolu1990 commented on May 26, 2024

All iCE40 numbers on the readme/here are from icestorm. I remember that a 1 years ago when i give some try with icecube2, i got up to 50 % timings improvment on VexRiscv, but maybe that was a special case, i never tried with Murax.

What is the delta between those tools from your experience ?

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daveshah1 avatar daveshah1 commented on May 26, 2024

I would say Radiant/iCEcube2 is about 30% better than the icestorm flow for a typical application.

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mithro avatar mithro commented on May 26, 2024

This all looks good! Closing the issue.

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